CE Lancer Possible Engine Conversions

"Modifications that increase engine performance"
You aren't however increasing the engines performance? You're just changing the engine to one that is stock, made by the manufacture. But i could be wrong :(
 
Jkirkness said:
I swear in nsw your not allowed to put any power modifications on your car?
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http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... v_2007.pdf

Pages 2 & 3 cover Engine mods, Quite informative. :)

For the lazy..

Examples of minor (owner certified) modifications are:
* Engine changes where the capacity increase is less than 15% above the maximum size engine available for the
vehicle (providing no major structural modifications are necessary and where noise and/or exhaust emission
ADRs apply, all standard equipment such as carburettors, exhaust systems, exhaust gas recirculating valves,
oxygen sensors and catalytic convertors relating to noise and emission control are retained and operate
correctly).
* The fitting of a proprietary sunroof (if the modifications are of a minor nature only).
* Fitting a ‘package’ available as optional equipment for the vehicle (eg front disc brakes, power steering, alternative
transmission and bucket or bench seats).
* Additional lighting eg fog & driving lights.
* Alternative wheels and tyres within the owner certified limits set by the Authority (see Vehicle Standards
Information Sheet No. 9 Guidelines for alternative wheels & tyres).
* Fitting of handling enhancing suspension components such as roll stabiliser bars and up-rated shock absorbers.
Major modifications which fall outside the category of minor (owner certified) modifications require submission of
certification by an RTA recognised engineering signatory. This is usually in the form of an Engineering certificate
prepared by the signatory.

To what extent can I modify my vehicle?
Engine modification
1. Original engine modified
Modifications to the original engine are permitted provided the following conditions are met:
* Normal engine reconditioning within manufacturer’s limits is permitted;
* Modifications must not affect compliance with any emission or noise related ADRs;
* All emission control equipment must be retained and functional;
* If the modifications result in a substantial increase in power, then the adequacy of other components to
carry the increased power (brake performance, vehicle controllability, suspension systems, etc) as well as
the vehicle’s continued compliance with the applicable ADRs must be addressed.
Vehicle standards information / No. 6 / Rev. 2.1 / Published 1 November 2007 2
2. Replacement engine
There are set engine capacity limits for a modified passenger car or passenger car derivative and these are set out
in the table below. Owners should note that an engine might not be suitable even though it’s capacity falls within
the specified limits. Owners are therefore advised to check details of a proposed engine conversion with an
engineering signatory before commencing the work.
Note:
* The engine capacity to be used for rotary engines is the displacement of all rotors x 2.
* ‘Original weight’ is the original (unmodified) ‘tare weight’ of the sedan version of the vehicle model fitted with the largest
engine available for the model but without optional accessories such as air conditioning and tow bar.
* The above limits do not apply to 4WD’s, light trucks and buses up to 4.5 tonne gross vehicle mass.
* Vehicles with engines of greater capacity than that provided in the table will not be acceptable for registration as a modified
production vehicle.
Emission standards for replacement engines
1972 and later model vehicles with substitute engines must meet the intent of the later of the Australian Design
Rules applicable to either:
a) The original vehicle; or
b) The substitute engine.
To ensure continued compliance with emission standards, any replacement engine should come from a vehicle which
is subject to the same or more stringent emission control requirements. An alternative is for an earlier engine to be
upgraded during reconditioning to more recent engine specifications. All anti-pollution devices should be fitted and
functional.
Vehicles manufactured prior to noise and/or exhaust emissions related ADRs must meet certain minimum noise
and emission requirements if the engine modification is to such an extent as to require certification by an engineering
signatory. Engineering signatories will be able to give you more information about these requirements.
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And there is your answer the CE coupe/sedan chassis did not come with a 4G94... but having said that I would still apply in writting and see what is said especially if you upgrade the brakes - prove how much the old engine/gear box weighs and how much the new engine gearbox weighs

Now having said upgrade brakes make sure that the brakes are better than the CG/CH brakes - having the same will not be seena as an improvement they will say that it is not about the braking of the car with new engine but more about the additional weight (if there is any in the engine) but they will say that the additional weight between the two chassis is the reason for not having it in the CE because of the power to weight ratio between the two cars
 
I've been doing a bit of googling, reading and more reading.

Seems its been a semi popular conversion to do a DOHC head swap for the 4G15, but a fairly expensive job.
Although I'm no engine mechanic, I dont think it would be as easy as take off SOHC, put on DOHC + inlet, outlet, ect...
Would be of benefit if you wanted to keep your original engine number, but sourcing the parts is another hurdle.

But if you were going to do it, one of THESE as a straight swap instead would be my thinking, I maybe wrong ?
 
If you were going to do a swap and spend $500 do a 4G93 swap gives you the same power as the DOHC plus a few more options for later
 
chowetime said:
If you were going to do a swap and spend $500 do a 4G93 swap gives you the same power as the DOHC plus a few more options for later
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The whole changing of looms and so on is a bit of a put off, specially with the DOHC 4G15, just plug n play as far as I can tell.
 
ARC said:
chowetime said:
If you were going to do a swap and spend $500 do a 4G93 swap gives you the same power as the DOHC plus a few more options for later
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The whole changing of looms and so on is a bit of a put off, specially with the DOHC 4G15, just plug n play as far as I can tell.
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Don't forget registration. As far as the authorities would be concerned, you are replacing a 4g15 with a 4g15....
 
81gl said:
ARC said:
chowetime said:
If you were going to do a swap and spend $500 do a 4G93 swap gives you the same power as the DOHC plus a few more options for later
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The whole changing of looms and so on is a bit of a put off, specially with the DOHC 4G15, just plug n play as far as I can tell.
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Don't forget registration. As far as the authorities would be concerned, you are replacing a 4g15 with a 4g15....
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Yes, NSW RTA... The thorn in the side every New South Welshman... :roll:

Replacing a 4g15 with a 4g15 = One for the good guys :cool:
 
Got a quick Q re late model JDM GSR 4G93T (1998+) into CE Mirage......did the GSR have open front diff and how much does it cost to lock out the rear output shaft.

Or do I keep the original Mirage box (does it bolt up) and is LSD available ?
 
This is what I recieved from RPW in regards to engine modifications. as you can see he recommends the 4G93 SOHC, being a near bolt in job. I've put the emails between him and I underneath. He's helped me re-adjust my figures to best suit my needs. these guys are in WA, been modifying lancers for 10+ years.

From: Eric
Sent: Monday, 20 August 2012 5:30 AM
To: David
Subject:

Hey mate,

Could you give me a price on what it would cost for my 98 lancer (sedan), to have the 1.5 DOHC 16v installed, with full exhaust system (your 4-1 race headers, high flow cat and 2 ¼” Mandrel bent exhaust to sports muffler), new alloy intake (pod filter to full alloy ducting, increased throttle body size), and new drive train (I’m looking to replace the whole mechanics of the car), what sort of money would I be looking at?

On top of that, I’m looking to change the suspension system to something tighter, but still good for the road, probably something fully adjustable so I can tighten it up for the track, but then slacken it off to cruise around. What sort of suspension systems would you recommend for the ‘98 4 door lancer?

Regards,

Eric


From: David [mailto:rpwinfo@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Monday, 20 August 2012 2:37 PM
To: Eric
Subject: RE:

To do a package like what you are after would be around the $6k range for motor, exhaust, coil over strut suspension, retuning etc.

One thing to consider, instead of doing the 4G15 DOHC engine, to do the 4G93 SOHC engine which is a very easy swap and has a lot more torque etc than the 1.5 engine. Would only be a little more expensive to do but results would be massively larger.

for the conversion:

You don’t need a harness.

To do the conversion you need a complete 1.8 engine incl gearbox

Use the 1.5 harness / distributor and convert the engine to distributor ignition

Run a piggy back ecu system
 
ARC said:
Jkirkness said:
I swear in nsw your not allowed to put any power modifications on your car?
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http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/ ... v_2007.pdf

Pages 2 & 3 cover Engine mods, Quite informative. :)
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For this (to gain clarity), is it stating that you need an Engineering certificate to upgrade from the 1.5 to the 1.8? and with the suspension modifications as well?

Yes, NSW RTA... The thorn in the side every New South Welshman...
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bloody RTA :thumbdown:
 
Not quite sure on the effectiveness of his solution.

Your going to pay retail for a piggyback ecu, so that you can run a 1.8 with a distributor and a 1.5 ECU, when you can run coilpacks and a stock ECU like factory.
 
Trondabron said:
Not quite sure on the effectiveness of his solution.

Your going to pay retail for a piggyback ecu, so that you can run a 1.8 with a distributor and a 1.5 ECU, when you can run coilpacks and a stock ECU like factory.
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m ok, the more I read on here the more questions pop up for RPW, me being noob at this, thinking that they had a clear Idea, but after learning more im starting to find they may not be as high as they crack up to.
 
From: David [mailto:rpwinfo@iinet.net.au]
Sent: Monday, 20 August 2012 2:37 PM
To: Eric
Subject: RE:

To do a package like what you are after would be around the $6k range for motor, exhaust, coil over strut suspension, retuning etc.

One thing to consider, instead of doing the 4G15 DOHC engine, to do the 4G93 SOHC engine which is a very easy swap and has a lot more torque etc than the 1.5 engine. Would only be a little more expensive to do but results would be massively larger.

for the conversion:

You don’t need a harness.

To do the conversion you need a complete 1.8 engine incl gearbox

Use the 1.5 harness / distributor and convert the engine to distributor ignition

Run a piggy back ecu system
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The reason for him to say you do not need the full wire loomm is so that you spend so much more money on buying and tuning the car I would expect that he would recommend a haltech interceptor ($900) tuning ($800) vs wire loom and far less hassels $50
 
Maybe Dave recommends this on the assumption that you would get a piggyback/tune regardless, making the ECU and harness swap redundant.
How would a MAP based ECU run with the 1.8 AFM? Or would you just use the 1.5 MAP sensor on the 1.8?
 
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