is a re-tune worthwhile?

jason2112

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I currently have a 05 2.4L vr-x with a few mods from the previous owner. It has extractors, high flow cat and a 2.5 inch full stainless steel exhaust system (from hi-tech mufflers). I am just wondering if it would be worthwhile taking it to someone and getting it re-tuned? Will it give it much more power or fuel economy?
Also would a k&n panel filter be worth the $200 or whatever it is? or are the normal filters fine?
Thanks in advance
 
buy your k&n panel filter off amazon, I think i paid 60 something dollars for it, it's ok, don't expect much from it.

as for tuning, sure, but if you search the ch/cg subforum you'll see some of the discussions we've had in relation to trying to find a tuner that can do our car.
 
I got my K&N from UK Ebay for around $70, was much cheaper then autobarn/supercheap.
 
stillstanding45 said:
From seeing the MCM video, you wont gain much from the new exhaust unless you reflash it....

you really dont gain much from ANY mod without a retune
 
stillstanding45 said:
From seeing the MCM video, you wont gain much from the new exhaust unless you reflash it....

that video is primarily applicable to turbo vehicles, the improved exhaust in that context is more a peripheral mod with regards to upping the boost.
 
Also a larger exhaust will open up your top end, but will affect power down low. A smaller exhaust will give you more responce down low but really limit your power up top. 2" I think is the best option I think on an na 2L, happy medium. Not sure about 2.4 though. But 2.5" I think is over kill, na doesn't flow alot of air compared to a turbo.

After all the little mods you speak of, a retune will make the car run a lot better, but don't expect huge gains in power. To get big gains on an na, you really new to spend big money on porting, cams, valves, manifolds, throttle bodies, ect. Cheaper and more gains to slap on a turbo
 
2.5 inch is fine for the 2.4 if planning future modding such as what you suggested
Personally I wouldn't bother tuning until I did something more substantial though.
 
^ agreed
A tune will smoothen the ride. But you wo g really notice any power gains. In my opinion not worth it. But it depends what you are going for. I'd do a low comp head gasket and a turbo. Run 10psi, and with the 2.4L torque it'll be a very worthwhile mod :)
 
with better breathing completed, you will run leaner... getting a dyno tune or proprietary remap made for your parts is a good addition.

Expect to lose a tiny bit of economy, but I actually increased KW to the ground.. is what I was aiming for.

I went from highway average of 6.8km/l to 7.3km/l, but gained response and acceleration

Good luck with yours.
 
Get a standalone ecu, stage 2 cam and a tune and you would be looking at 130ish fwkw. Oh and these motors are already relatively low compression. You could run 10 psi on stock bottom end.
 
Short version:
Yes, ECU tuning should be made after every change made, that will affect engine rpm behavior. Almost every tune will affect it. Although it is rarely dangerous to engine when some minor changes have been done. Let's say catback, CAI installment and you can drive without ECU tuning. But when changing headers (with different primary lengths/different setup like 4-2-1 -> 4-1), intake (different measures than OEM) and especially when changing cams, it is mandatory. If not, it is more than possible to melt holes in your pistons or force your crankshaft to new measures through knock.

Let's put it this way. Mitsu ECU calculates Injector Pulse Widths (basically, how long injectors are open = how much fuel is being injected to the engine) by these values:
AFRMAP*AIRTEMP*BARO*MAFSCALING*MAFSMTHG*TEMPBAROAI RFLOWLKUP*INJSCALING*MAFSOURCEMAINxMAFMULTIPWARMUP

(* WARMUP*COOLANT* MAFMULTIPWARMUPxLOADBASEDMULT*O2FEE DBACK)
+ accel1 - accel 2 (still to be fully worked out)
+INJDEADTIMELOOKUP*INJLAGRES


As you notice MAF flow is one of the basic information used on. Stock ECU rom has a couple of maps that basically are MAF calibration measures where it translates MAF flow (Hz) to LOAD. When these are made to the current setup, you can put, lets say AFR 12.5 on your Fuel Map and it'll be just that from the pipe. But when you have changed your engine's behavior on some rpm's, ECU wont know about it and still continues to make the assumption that you are running stock setup. As you know, Engine runs on closed loop on high LOAD (you give it much throttle) and after ~3000-4000rpm.

Of course if, let's say for example you have put a bit worse fuel in the tank -> affects all rpm -> ECU notices change through lambda values -> compensates it by Long Term Fuel Trim (LTFT, which it will use on higher rpm's also). Mitsu ECU has 3 different LTFT's. Idle, Mid and High. High. ECU makes the decision of what LTFT to use by LOAD. But ECU only reads lambda on stoichiometric mixtures which are basically when you are cruising. And if you make changes which will result in gains on high rpm you will basically make the engine run on stock IPW (fuel injected) which will result in lean mixture on those rpm's! Lean mixture of course results in higher temperatures on the combustion chamber -> possible hot spot's will start to glow -> possible pre-TDC ignition of mixture -> knock -> POSSIBILITY OF REALLY MAJOR ENGINE DAMAGE!

Did I make my point impossible to understand :D

But about re-tune. If done properly (which I won't think any local dyno guy will) it will result in much better fuel economy and what is more important: more linear power curve through all rpm!

And like I said before. There is no need for standalone ECU becaus stock ECU is as programmable.
 
You may tell me again. On the other topic it was confirmed that there was a guy that reflashes 4G69 ECU's on Australia. A little change resistance detected :?
 
something I was unaware of too.. that's a shame

CJ is definitely reflashable..

maybe you do infact need a standalone!
 
it is reflashable... You may just have to not get a AUDM ECU and geta USDM, JDM OR EUDM instead.
 
Worded it weirdly. It's possible on ones without immobilizers and possibly depending on ecu with immobilizers... Chowetime would know, possibly hens and/or (hate to say it though) luie...
 
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