Pre-Conversion Engine Building

AaronGJ94 · Jul 9, 2015

I've been looking at a few build threads and something that Isn't really mentioned is whether anybody considered building up their new engine (Bore, stroke, P&P, forgies, etc) before dropping it in.

In conjunction,

What is the greatest engine transplant for the CE lancer? 4G63T? 6A12M? 6A13TT? Personally I plan on doing a 6A12M conversion once I've found my new project CE, but a few people have done 6A13TT and 4G63T (from Evos IV-VI) conversions with great success, solid kWatw figures and 1/4 mile times.

So, For arguments sake:
- it's a coupe
- keeping FWD (AWD is great, but +250kg? *fudge* that I want to go fast!)
- $20k to spend on engine
- Could be N/A, could be Single Turbo. You decide.
- all options come with AEM engine management.

Few final notes. I do not have $20k to throw away so don't ask me when the build is coming, hahaha. If your wondering why I wrote this thread, just think of it as a way to get the creative juices flowing. No need for negative comments. Don't like the post, don't comment. Simple as that. I'm still planning on doing a 6A12M conversion in the future simply because I have access to many FTO & CE bits where I live. Who knows? If it turns out I can turn a 1.5L into a turbocharged 2.4L stroked mivec, then this thread will be worth its weight in gold.

- Aaron

rigby · Jul 9, 2015

AaronGJ94 said:
So, For arguments sake:
- it's a coupe
Good start
- keeping FWD (AWD is great, but +250kg? *fudge* that I want to go fast!)
AWD is necessary once you hit the 200-250kw mark, otherwise you just break diffs every time you drive the car or infinitely spin the wheels. This also costs you around 3k in engineering/installation alone.
- $20k to spend on engine
For a 6a12, 4g49, 4g94 etc swap you're looking at about 2k pending exactly how cheap you can pick items up for, this includes seals, exhaust, filters, fluids, etc.
For 6a13tt you could theoretically do it for 5k, even less.
For 4g63t you're looking at 10k to make it driveable and reliable.
- Could be N/A, could be Single Turbo. You decide.
It's not up to us, it's what you want. There is nothing better than a brutal NA setup, but you will be able to make much more power and more easily from a turbo setup.
- all options come with AEM engine management.

Put it this way. A 6a12 swap gives you enough power for a fun and reliable daily that won;t get you into trouble or break *poo*.
A 6a13tt swap is affordable and a cheap way of getting 200kw at the wheels but it has nowhere to go in terms of aftermarket support.
A 4g63t swap is the best way to go if you have the cash, there is also an insane amount of information and support for it. Very costly and can turn a reliable daily into a pig.

Hugh-CE · Jul 10, 2015

Lol I don't think that weight is a problem with AWD. It's skill and know how. But I don't know you at all, if you do have those skills and know how. Do it. Do it 100,000,000%.

63t is definitely the way to go. No need to build and forge it to the nines, just have everything of good quality and see how you go. They're obscenely fast. Besides post like 200kw your biggest issue is grip and stopping power

MOR31 · Jul 10, 2015

6a12 if interested in daily driving but for the extra cost of rego and fuel and what not may as well go 6a13tt. I daily drove my 6a13tt and was great, drove normal when you wanted and had power when you wanted. Also did the swap for less the half the cost of what the usual 4g63 swap costs. But limited aftermarket support for them. If you know where to look there is support for mantinace and upkeep at a good price

ARC · Jul 10, 2015

AaronGJ94 said:
So, For arguments sake:

- keeping FWD (AWD is great, but +250kg? *fudge* that I want to go fast!)

- Aaron

*fudge* that I wanna go fast! Right.

unclepaulie · Jul 10, 2015

if I had the cash and the time, it would be 3.9L 6g75, auto box, in the back of a 'rage. E85 and gt42 fed. Obvs widebody to house the 265's

20k limit can blow me

AaronGJ94 · Jul 10, 2015

@rigby, cheers mate, when I find the right car and start the build, I daresay I won't be chasing a kWatw figure so much as a 1/4 mile figure. Up in North QLD there is sweet FA in regards to track and drifting so modding is usually for having abit of fun from stoplight to stoplight on a Saturday night. Good to know about the diffs though. Definetely going 6A12M myself, whether boosted or N/A will come down to funds at the time. So if I start spinning wheels and smashing diff's I'll know it's time to go AWD. I know I'll be hitting you up for some info on where you got your Ricey bits for your cc in due time too.

@Hugh-CE, as far as skill and know-how go, I've got zilch as far as driving AWD. Never owned one, driven a few, never tracked. I'm sure they are fantastic in their own right, but I'm literally chasing a straight line car. Still, appreciate the feedback & seeing that 200Kw seems to be the tyre spinning figure for the ce's.

@MOR31, it's actually your thread that made me consider writing this one. I know a few people who had done 6A13TT swaps into their FTO's but for some reason it didn't click that "hey *poo* maybe it'll fit in the lancer?". My personal build will be a Weekender only car. However as far as parts are available here, there's a fair few FTO's around, but very few galants/6A13TT bits. This is probably the biggest reason why I wanna go with the FTO engine. Cheap and easy to find parts are always a plus. Loved your build though, great to see it actually fits under the bonnet. Top notch.

@ARC, probably should of mentioned it's a straight line car, but I have no doubt a Evo spec mirage would go off its head. Wouldn't be able to keep the smile off my face if I got to have a spin. Thanks for the threads. I've read most of them, but there's a few there I haven't. Will get cracking. Cheers

@unclepaulie, sounds like you could do with a winning lotto ticket, hahaha. Build that *poo*.

Guess we kinda got onto the topic of what I wanted to build pretty heavily & what the best engine transplant would be. All the info was good, and I'm gonna go read some of ARC's threads, but if you wanted to leave anything regarding pre conversion engine work for any of the 3 engines listed, I'm all ears. Thanks again fellas,

- Aaron

Joshy_morris · Jul 10, 2015

When youve had power in a fwd car you'll understand how amazing awd is..

You'll spend so much time and money trying to get the traction down.
Awd is basically the ultimate situation for these.

Forging is super dependant on engine choice.

Standard lancer engines if your aiming for above 200kw yeah forge it, wont last long before a rod gives out.

6a13tt, no. Built for boost. To a certain extent. You'll make a happy 270-300kw on stock block dependant on how you do it. Use of the fwd boxes bolting straight up is a massive plus.

Then theres the 4g63. Known for how how strong that bottom end is.
Bolt on mods will clear you 300kw on e85 easily.
Downside is drivetrain. Lock it to fwd diff goes bang sooo easily. Now you see yourself dumping losds of cash into the drivetrain to keep the power down without breaking *poo*.
So this is where awd dominates the field.
But how much money you got?

AaronGJ94 · Jul 10, 2015

the missus and I are buying a new daily at the moment so depends what's left after that. I'm guessing $5k plus whatever I get in tax. Mind you, it's bills time so no figures to play with yet.

charliem · Jul 10, 2015

4g63t awd....big project though, and as has been said, you are looking at 10k+ to start.
Once finished however, HUUUGE aftermarket support for further mods from factory driveline.

Joshy_morris · Jul 10, 2015

Yeah goodluck with an evo conversion for 5k. With that budget id focus on a 1.8 turbobuild.
Can net you about the 150kw mark on 98 with a good turbo choice

MOR31 · Jul 10, 2015

Joshy_morris said:
Yeah goodluck with an evo conversion for 5k.

is that a challange?

Joshy_morris · Jul 10, 2015

MOR31 said:
is that a challange?

If it is you dont fit the criteria

tanerr · Jul 10, 2015

6g75 manual supercharged!

AaronGJ94 · Jul 10, 2015

$5k+$3.5k in tax gets me alittle closer to that Evo conversion but I don't think that's the route I want to take. I'd like to stay N/A if possible. if I can work out how to fit an FMIC & single quickspool turbo in the engine bay along with the 6A12M, then it might happen. Wouldn't be the first thing though. Lots of rice before then. Brakes, braids, lights, wings, door handles, front & back bars, etc etc etc all take precedence over a turbo, and that is where the money goes.

ARC · Jul 10, 2015

AaronGJ94 said:
Wouldn't be the first thing though. Lots of rice before then. Brakes, braids, lights, wings, door handles, front & back bars, etc etc etc all take precedence over a turbo, and that is where the money goes.

I'm done....

AaronGJ94 · Jul 10, 2015

Hahahahaha worth every penny writing that then @ARC

@Tanner there's a guy with a supercharged 6G75 and it "almost" makes 200 at the wheels. gets you bragging points for rarity but they have stupid ridiculous prices on parts from what I've seen.

rigby · Jul 10, 2015

AaronGJ94 said:
Hahahahaha worth every penny writing that then @ARC

@Tanner there's a guy with a supercharged 6G75 and it "almost" makes 200 at the wheels. gets you bragging points for rarity but they have stupid ridiculous prices on parts from what I've seen.

There are TMR 380's getting around that come supercharged from factory with a 6g75. On paper the supercharger only adds 0.5secs to the 0-100 time though, they don't make it THAT much quicker.

MOR31 · Jul 11, 2015

Don't think you understand the issues that will be there when trying to tune mivec and a turbo. Either stay na or put a motor in that is easy to turbo

Phantom460 · Jul 11, 2015

Why not 4g92 Mivec?

If you want to stay NA, the Mivec 1.6 would be my pick of the bunch.

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