Turbo'ing your lancer information

NICE AS

New Member
I'm no turbo guru but hopefully this will help people out who are thinking of going turbo.

Where allowed to dream :lol: .


So most popular turbos in use for the ce lancer 1.8
GT25
T28
Td04
Td05 (Evo 1-3)

NICE AS said:
So going off turbos mentioned roughly this is the order power wise pending on housing ?
t25
tdo4
tdo5
t28.

Garrett site to compare turbos

http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbobyga ... asics.html


RPW link to GT25 Turbo with spec list of whats been done and dyno graph. 130 hp atw on 7psi.http://74.53.202.41/shop/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=94:mitsi-ce-lancer-4g93-turbo-conv-130hp-atw&catid=84:mitsubishi-lancer-ce-ch-fwd-vehicles&Itemid=40

SyKRyD members page with two different turbos be used and dyno graphs
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=514

GT25 @ 10.5 psi @ 110kw roughly with turbo from 3000 by the looks.
GTGarrett GT2876R @ 25psi 244kw turbo kicking in @ 3500 revs? (most effective from 4500 onwards)

SyKRyD if you could comment would be great..


12SHW CM5A
Pulled 190 hp (@ WHAT PSI SAM) so 130-140kw atw these figures are close to what DVS45 & 91LTI got out of there CM5A conversions aswell and low 14's down the 1/4.


Evo Stock Turbo Specs
Evolution 1
p/n = 49168-01450
Turbo = TDO5H-16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
TD05H turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium
Inducer = 48.3mm
Exducer = 68mm

Evolution 2
p/n = 49168-01460
Turbo = TDO5H-16G-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
TD05H turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium
Inducer = 48.3mm
Exducer = 68mm

Evolution 3
p/n = 49178-01470
Turbo = TD05H-16G6-7
Nozzle Area (cm2) = 7
TD05H turbine = Inconel (steel alloy)
Compressor = Aluminium
Inducer = 48.3mm
Exducer = 68mm

Hopefully we can find some dyno figures or rough quotes on Evo turbos being used..

Obvisouly all dynos will be different in numbers and some engines mods are different aswell so its just a guide guys once we get a few tables up will hopefully help people in the future know what they want. ie. fast spooling car or high hp, or just the bov noise.

:thumbup:

Manifolds:

Hens said:
4g93 flanges are same doch vs sohc

4g63 flange have been same since the engine was released.
however you cannot just mount the manifold from a different generation g63 engine.
You need to account for the air con power steering and turbo orientation.
evo 4 and up use the split flange.

you cannot use the 4g63 manifold on a 93 engine.
Other you would think people would have realised this already and start doing such installations over the years.
 
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From DRIVEN PERFORMANCE NZ

Td05 16g .8 bar
http://www.drivenperformance.co.nz/scri ... roduct=775

Td05 20g (not sure what bar :?: )
http://www.drivenperformance.co.nz/scri ... oduct=1237


Cm5a Manifold upgrade for Td05 turbo
http://www.drivenperformance.co.nz/scri ... oduct=1661

Turbo kit for Cm5a with tdo5 20g turbo
http://www.drivenperformance.co.nz/scri ... oduct=1662

"The TD05H-20G is even larger than the popular 16G version! This internally wastegated turbo supports over 400HP.
A massive 20G compressor wheel
68mm outlet exducer
52.65mm outlet inducer
55.85mm inlet inducer
48.92mm inlet exducer
2.50" inlet

Great bolt on for 1600-2000cc vehicles particularly Lancer GSR with 4G93 engine and EVO with 4G63 engine"
 
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Regards to going turbo and what you will usually need to factor in:

- bigger injectors
- remap fuel system (unichip, safc, etc.)
- intercooler
- turbo
- cooler pipes
- tapped oil sump
- decomp plate
- oil and water lines teed off the pressure sender
- turbo exhaust manifold and modified exhaust pipe
- fuel pump and pressure regulator depending on boost levels.
- modplate or engineering.

forged internals if you wanting to run decent psi and not *meow* footing.


Intercooler setup


On a standard front bar ce lancer (h) 300mm intercooler is to big to fit really. 180mm will fill the middle gap of the stock bar and 220mm will fit with out the intercooler petruding under the stock bar or interferring with the tow hook.
 
What Turbos are best for CE lancers.

To be honest I wouldent go bigger then a gt2860rs on the g15 or g93.

A 2871/76 would be a bit too laggy even with a 64 rear

The disco is good for 300hp and that's more then anyone will ever need in a ce.
 
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Hopefully SyKRyD when he gets back will drop us what housing his got?

I dont understand graphs much nor driven big hp cars but when I read his gt28 graph it spools up late 5000+ at full noise. Although at 4500 its putting down 150 atw which is more then enough for most on here.

That would be in 4th gear maybe? so 2nd and 3rd gear would read higher number is that how it works?
 
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tryg said:
excellent write up... this needs to be kept for posterity!

I suck at putting words together its not me :thumbdown: .

Feel free to ad some stuff Tryg though.

Hopefully once turbo info is built up we can look at adding

* manifold costing and picture of different types.
* Piggy backs
* Injectors etc

And then we can change the heading to What you need to look at if going turbo!.


This will hopefully help those who find half turbo kits on ebay or gumtree and what not. Also share a idea on costing involved in going turbo from N/A as alot of people dont know.


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NICE AS said:
tryg said:
excellent write up... this needs to be kept for posterity!

I suck at putting words together its not me :thumbdown: .

Feel free to ad some stuff Tryg though.

Hopefully once turbo info is built up we can look at adding

* manifold costing and picture of different types.
* Piggy backs
* Injectors etc

And then we can change the heading to What you need to look at if going turbo!.
This will hopefully help those who find half turbo kits on ebay or gumtree and what not. Also share a idea on costing involved in going turbo from N/A as alot of people dont know.
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Self-deprecating humour... not required.

This is a fine example of a good thread that should be duplicated after being pruned and locked-down somewhere, so we can send people to a stickied link, when they ask the question...

I think a few of the senior members here would agree... they spend most of their time linking to threads that we could turn into a pure 'knowledge base' which is free from clutter and locked-down to commentary. Keep one as a thread to add-to and then mirror one to be a sticky. Do we agree?
 
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i smell an archive section approaching
 
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mdclear said:
i smell an archive section approaching

Call it what you will.. but people are also quick to point out to noobs that they 'don't search' or haven't looked or googled etc...

Maybe the place just needs some touching up, making it easier for people to find what they need...

Just my 2c (and certainly not a criticism of this forum, just hoping to make it better).

I can't help it, I am an analyst and it's just what we do! :crazy:
 
Re: What Turbos are best for CE lancers.

this thread is great but you will still get the noob that CBF'd reading down it and will just start a Q thread instead.
 
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Take note for those interested too that the CM5A manifold from driven performance is for DOHC.

Not sure if SOHC exhuast manifold would be the same as DOHC anyone confirm ?.


Also add that evo 1-3 turbo is different to evo 4-up as evo 4 up is twin scroll which would need a different manifold.
Exhaust_Manifold.summ.jpg
 
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I wouldn't see how the exhaust outlet would be change from swapping the head
 
What Turbos are best for CE lancers.

Pretty sure they would have different exhaust ports because it would flow different
 
Re: What Turbos are best for CE lancers.

tryg said:
This is a fine example of a good thread that should be duplicated after being pruned and locked-down somewhere, so we can send people to a stickied link, when they ask the question...

I think a few of the senior members here would agree... they spend most of their time linking to threads that we could turn into a pure 'knowledge base' which is free from clutter and locked-down to commentary. Keep one as a thread to add-to and then mirror one to be a sticky. Do we agree?


Agree this can be the dodgy thread then once we get some good input from others do one in the forced induction thread instead of a general ce lancer topic.

So any graphs you find or what not post them up etc.

:thumbup:
 
Re: What Turbos are best for CE lancers.

there is no one perfect turbo for the ce lancer. selecting turbos really depends on what you are using it for and what your likes are.

for a street driven lancer (that won't see over 100kph that often), the t25/8 or td04 will be a lot of fun. these spool up very quickly, allowing you to hit 0-10psi revving between 2000-3000rpm. you basically get that "vtec just kicked in yo" feeling every time you take off.

on the other end of the scale, if you want bigger hp, you need to get something bigger like a gt2871r or gt3076r. but as mentioned above, these can be laggy if you simply just bolt it on. you need to open up your head with some porting and/or look at changing over to a dohc head. you would also look at your internals to ensure you can take your redline up to 7500-8000rpm. also important at this point is your compression ratio, fuel and ignition. turbos on this end are used for track work or dyno comps and aren't really suited for the street.

royzie is spot on in his post. a perfect balance between these would be go a gt2860. these disco potatos have decent power up top, but still spool up early enough. to top this off, they are used a lot by the sr20 boys before they need more power and upgrade. meaning lots of second hand ones floating around.
 
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28 is similar to a tod5 16g or 20g.?

I'm used to the td04 now although it is a great car for instant power..

So safe to say the turbos mention in the first post are what most will look at and decent for what people would usually want to go on here. Pity we dont have more graphs.

I might see if I can get a few more CM5A graphs.. And keep searching for evo results hopefully more will pop up through the scene.

I've put up a little guide on what you will need to go turbo I might ad to this later although hard for prices.
 
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Even a gt2871r and gt3076r would be to laggy for a street driven g93.

I have a 3071r which is the same as the 3076r but uses a different exhaust flange. For me it's the perfect turbo on a 2L with extensive bolt ons, doesnt come on boost till 2500-3000rpm so can still be daily driven with easy and still fuel efficient (600km+) on a tank. Bit being said it needs to rev 7000+ to be made the full use
 
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As you would already know, dyno graphs can sort of be deceiving as they won't accurately depict how the turbo will make power for all engines. There are too many factors that attribute to the final dyno graph output. Just because someone bolts on the same turbo as me on the same engine as me doesnt mean they will make the same power as me.
 
What Turbos are best for CE lancers.

3071 has a smaller cold side then 3076 I'm almost certain.

3076 is huge and way too big for an under 2 litre unless it's a dyno queen / drag car. Would be terribly impracticable in a car where u want anything down low at all.

Also there is plenty different t28s and 25s. It's all way to confusing for me...
 
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