Brake Upgrade Information

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Here is a "brief" listing of brake upgrades and information.
A lot of this may not be completely accurate, and is being updated & edited to correct this. Do not take any information provided here as 100% truth.
Before doing any brake upgrades, double and triple check your research, and get advice from a brake installer professional.

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[centre]Brake Upgrade Information[/centre]

After spending a fair amount of time asking around (thank you Tron, Ian, Skip and others), I now have a fair amount of understanding of what brakes can fit up to the Lancer and Mirage.
There are a number of ways of upgrading, from basic level to advanced. My knowledge is mainly restricted to entry level, as the majority of these cars would not be fast enough to require very large and flashy brakes. Anyway, here we go.

Note: All Protons mention are assumed 1st Gen Protons (Satria, Satria GTI, M21, Persona, Wira, Jumbuck etc), Gen2 Protons are unconfirmed (Gen2, Savvy, Inspira etc)


First off, a couple of basic information points and whatnot:

D = Diameter
H = Height (Offset)
T = Thickness
C = Centre Hole Diamter
S = Stud Pattern

  • Lancer and Mirage standard brake rotors are;
    D- 236mm
    H- 45mm
    T- 18mm
    C- 64mm
    S- 4x100
    DBA413
  • Protons larger then 1.6L are;
    D- 256mm
    H- 45mm
    T- 18mm
    C- 64mm
    S- 4x100
    DBA414
    (rear RDA is RDA410)
  • CC GSR rotors are;
    D- 256mm
    H- 45mm
    T- 18mm
    C- 64mm
    S- 4x114
    DBA?????
  • Evolution 1-3 are;
    D- 276mm
    H- 45mm
    T- 24mm
    C- 69mm
    S- 4x114
    DBA402
  • FTO w/6A12 rotors are;
    D- 276mm
    H- 45mm
    T- 24mm
    C- 69mm
    S- 5x114
    DBA425
  • Mini Cooper (2004 w/1.6L SOHC engine) rotor's are;
    D- 276mm
    H- 44mm
    T- 22mm
    C- 64mm
    S- 4x100
    DBA542
  • Magna TR/TS (KR/KS) V6 Engine rotor's are;
    D- 276mm
    H- 45mm
    T- 24mm
    C- 69mm
    S- 5x114
    DBA425
  • Brakes that are 276mm with require 15" wheels as a minimum, however, not all 15" wheels fit as the clearance varies on offset, and rim design.

What can we learn from this??

CC GSR rotors are the exact same as Proton (>1.6L), except they maintain 4x100 stud pattern.

Magna TR/TS/KR/KS (V6) rotors are the exact same as FTO rotors (they even use the same DBA part number)

Magna TR/TS/KR/KS (V6) rotors are the exact same as EVO1-3 rotors, except the stud pattern changes from 5x114 to 4x114.

Mini Cooper rotors are the same diameter as FTO Mivec front/EVO1-3/MagnaV6, except they are 1mm shallow in offset (height) this is compensated by the rotor being 2mm thinner than FTO Mivec/EVO1-3/MagnaV6, and most importantly they retain 4x100 stud pattern.

In terms of brake rotor & caliper sizing: (largest to smallest)
EVO Brembo (330mm?) >
VR4 facelift(?)/EVO4/294mm >
FTO/VR4/Magna twin piston 276mm >
FTO/Magna single piston 276mm >
GSR(proton) 256mm >
Standard 236mm

Caliper Sizings:
Evo 1-3/FTO Mivec (both twin pistons) are larger than
Magna V6 ABS model is twin piston, which in turn are larger than
Magna V6 non-ABS or FTO non-mivecs (both are single piston)


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Upgrades for the Mirage & Lancer include, but are not limited to: NOTE: These upgrades are based on maintaining the stock stud pattern of 4x100, using other rotors with same physical dimension is possible to achieve different stud patterns

FRONT:
  • Mitsubishi Magna TR or TS V6 model:
    -NON-ABS model (Single Piston): bolt up
    -ABS model (Twin Piston): bolt up, however requires 4mm to be shaved off the banjo-bolt to fit.
    **Paired with:**
  • Mini Cooper S Rotors (276mm) DBA 542

[centre]OR[/centre]

  • Mitsubishi GSR Lancer Calipers
    **Paired with:**
  • Proton (>1.6L Engine) rotors (256mm) DBA 414

[centre]OR[/centre]

  • Any Proton (Engine >1.6L) Calipers
    **Paired with:**
  • Proton (>1.6L Engine) rotors (256mm) DBA 414

[centre]OR[/centre]

  • Mitsubishi Evolution I, II, III calipers
    **Paired with:**
  • Mini Cooper S Rotors (276mm) DBA 541

[centre]OR[/centre]

  • Mitsubishi FTO entire front suspension is bolt in (unsure if LCA is needed) (easiest to just grab everything from the front, it will all bolt in, keep in mind that the swaybar attaches to the strut and spring combo (which you will also need))
    *note that this will turn your stud pattern into 5x114.3, and cannot be converted unless returning to OEM parts*
    *Also note that this will extend out the wheel due to the increased LCA length.*

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REAR: *Usually with the rear brakes a drum-to-disc conversion occurs, as drums loose effectiveness as soon as they heat up

  • Any Proton with an engine > 1.6L Calipers
    **Paired with:**
  • Any Proton with an engine > 1.6 rotors (256mm)
    *Note: you will need the entire trailing arm to make things a LOT easier. This also includes the whole handbrake cable. The brake hose is interchangeable (also note that the trailing arm isnt necessary, but you would (still) need the hub, rotor, caliper and handbrake cable).
  • RDA410 is the RDA part number for discs

[centre]OR[/centre]

  • Mitsubishi Evolution I, II, III calipers
    **Paired with:**
  • Mitsubishi Evolution I, II, III rotors (260mm)
    *Note: you will need the entire trailing arm to make things a LOT easier. This also includes the whole handbrake cable. The brake hose is interchangeable.*
[centre]OR[/centre]

  • Mitsubishi FTO entire rear suspension is bolt in (easiest to just grab everything from the rear, as it will all bolt in)
    *note that this will turn your stud pattern into 4x114.3 from the OEM 4x100*
    *Also note that this will extend out the wheel due to the increased LCA length.*


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-When performing a rear brake conversion (from drum brakes to disc brakes), its highly suggested to increase the brake Master Cylinder to a larger one.
This will stop the brake pedal from feeling soft and spongy, and will help to keep the pedal firm. However a good brake bleed will still retain the firm pedal feel

-When changing from the standard front brakes, especially to twin pot calipers, its almost necessary to change to a larger brake master cylinder.

-If upgrading to braided brake lines, ADR approved lines are recommended. This is a quote from HEL UK:
"A NOTE TO ANY COLT OWNERS - Whatever you are told, hear it from the horses mouth right here - Evo 1/2/3 kit IS NOT the same as the FTO kit, and NEITHER kit is the same as a Colt kit! The hose lengths are different in all 3 instances... (although on the face of it, the fittings are the same for all 3 cars)".
From this we know that if 276mm brakes are on the front, FTO braided lines will be most suitable, as UK Mirage/lancer/Colt owners have run into problems with Evo fittings. This is due to hose length. FTO lines closest match stock Lancer/Mirage line length

-To summarise:
A 276mm rotor will usually need to be redrilled to a 4x100 stud pattern. They will then fit and pair up with any EVO 1-3, FTO, or Magna calipers.
A 256mm rotor will sometimes need to be redrilled to a 4x100 stud pattern. They will then fit and pair up with CC GRS, Proton (with an engine >1.6L) calipers.


(Needs correction & adjusting)
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This list is notcomplete, and may not be 100% accurate.
 
evo 1-3 use rotor size 276mm in the front and 260mm in the rear, evo 4-6 use larger rotors i think 294mm in the front and then rotors increase larger from evo 7 onwards.

FTO rotors are 276mm & 4x100
Pretty sure fto rotors arent 4x100, they have the same stuf pattern as an evo 1-3

Also GSR lancers use 256mm front rotors 4x100 stud pattern, so they dont require redrilling (stage 1 brake upgrade)
 
topgunjames said:
evo 1-3 use rotor size 276mm in the front and 260mm in the rear, evo 4-6 use larger rotors i think 294mm in the front and then rotors increase larger from evo 7 onwards.

FTO rotors are 276mm & 4x100
Pretty sure fto rotors arent 4x100, they have the same stuf pattern as an evo 1-3

Also GSR lancers use 256mm front rotors 4x100 stud pattern, so they dont require redrilling (stage 1 brake upgrade)

Edited and fixed, i hope. Thanks for that, i must have missed it
 
I was literally thinking of doing something like this earlier this evening. Something like a "Will it fit" kind of thing, for example will the brakes from a Satria GTi fit a CE coupe, and what you would need from a wreckers to do a conversion of some sorts. Seems great minds think alike. :D
 
FTO is 5 stud not 4 stud.
And if you use the FTO hub/knuckle the camber will be wrong. The LCA is 18mm longer on an FTO and would fix the camber issues but make the wheels stick further out by a bit.

You should also mention that when going from rear drum to disc you should get a prop valve from an FTO or such otherwise (like it was on my car) the brake distribution is 91/9 whereas ideally I think 70/30 is desired.
Also, changing the brake master cylinder if going twin pots. Either 15/16" or 1" but the booster may need to be changed as well I believe for this to work.
 
Spetz said:
FTO is 5 stud not 4 stud.
And if you use the FTO hub/knuckle the camber will be wrong. The LCA is 18mm longer on an FTO and would fix the camber issues but make the wheels stick further out by a bit.

You should also mention that when going from rear drum to disc you should get a prop valve from an FTO or such otherwise (like it was on my car) the brake distribution is 91/9 whereas ideally I think 70/30 is desired.
Also, changing the brake master cylinder if going twin pots. Either 15/16" or 1" but the booster may need to be changed as well I believe for this to work.

Thanks for that, i thought something was missing regarding the FTO swap.

Is the valve necessary when any drum is converted to disc?
 
Probably would be good if people who have done an upgrade could write what car they have and what they changed their brakes too and along with prices they paid at the wrecker for parts,etc...would help people from being ripped off by wreckers although they are honest folks that would do no such thing :lol:
 
Car: 96 Mirage (same specs for Mirage 96-04, and CE's 96-04)
Front Upgrade: TS Magna (V6, ABS model) calipers - Cost $70 pair
Mini Cooper S (02-06) Rotors purchased brand new

Rear Upgrade: Complete rear trailing arm swap (included T/arms, hubs, disc, calipers, brake lines) - Cost roughly $200

Just need to factor in rebuild kits and usually new rotors and pads. Also these prices were from Pick n Payless wreckers, where you do the stripping yourself. You may find other wreckers will charge more if they do the dismantling for you.
 
I will say it is better to use evo3 rotors redrilled with hubcentric rotor rings because they are the proper 24mm thickness not 22mm on the mini cooper rotors which is minimum thickness of the evo3 rotors when worn.

If anyone is doing this conversion and is in need of certain parts, calipers, rebuild kits, new rotors, road or performance pads, brake lines, I do sell these items so feel free to contact me.
Alot of the time I keep them in stock too.

I do appreciate you guys who give me some business. The funds allow me do further R&D and look for find better parts to make these cars faster as I do this mostly for the love of it.
The quality of work I do shows how meticulous I am.
 
Hens said:
I will say it is better to use evo3 rotors redrilled with hubcentric rotor rings because they are the proper 24mm thickness not 22mm on the mini cooper rotors which is minimum thickness of the evo3 rotors when worn.

what disadvantages/damages/badstuffs are likely to happen/be caused by running cooper rotors?
because we have a few people running them now with no problems so far, and they work out far cheaper than E-3's redrilled with the rings

in short more info?
 
Res said:
Hens said:
I will say it is better to use evo3 rotors redrilled with hubcentric rotor rings because they are the proper 24mm thickness not 22mm on the mini cooper rotors which is minimum thickness of the evo3 rotors when worn.

what disadvantages/damages/badstuffs are likely to happen/be caused by running cooper rotors?
because we have a few people running them now with no problems so far, and they work out far cheaper than E-3's redrilled with the rings

in short more info?

I know that the cooper rotors, despite being thinner (saves you 600gms /rotor), have 3mm of life (22mm-19mm) whereas the EVO/Magna rotors only have 1.6mm of life(24mm-22.4mm).
 
Trondabron said:
Res said:
Hens said:
I will say it is better to use evo3 rotors redrilled with hubcentric rotor rings because they are the proper 24mm thickness not 22mm on the mini cooper rotors which is minimum thickness of the evo3 rotors when worn.

what disadvantages/damages/badstuffs are likely to happen/be caused by running cooper rotors?
because we have a few people running them now with no problems so far, and they work out far cheaper than E-3's redrilled with the rings

in short more info?

I know that the cooper rotors, despite being thinner (saves you 600gms /rotor), have 3mm of life (22mm-19mm) whereas the EVO/Magna rotors only have 1.6mm of life(24mm-22.4mm).

That is not the point.
The caliper and pad combination allows for certain thickness of pad before the pistons push further out.
Mitsubishi did not design the caliper to use a 19mm min thick rotors, when the pads due for replacing.

You mention saving weight. That weight in the thickness of the rotor gives additional brake capacity (heat dissipation, heat holding etc). the 24mm OEM thickness will take more abuse in a performance application.
It is one of the reasons why the standard 235mm diameter/18mm thick brake setup is so terrible in a performance application.
 
Hmm

What is the minimum thickness that Magna rotors are allowed before replacing? If the minimum thickness is still more then the full sized Cooper rotors, then it would be too safe?
 
Just before I progress any further... What are we treating this as, a CE Lancer brake upgrade information thread of a 'lancer' upgrade information thread?
 
skippy said:
Just before I progress any further... What are we treating this as, a CE Lancer brake upgrade information thread of a 'lancer' upgrade information thread?
]just brakes in general i suppose, it hasnt been stated that its for a certain lancer, its just general information on brakes that can/have been used as upgrades.
but if you have any input on what would work with a ch, i dont see why that cant be added?
 
Joshy_morris said:
skippy said:
Just before I progress any further... What are we treating this as, a CE Lancer brake upgrade information thread of a 'lancer' upgrade information thread?
]just brakes in general i suppose, it hasnt been stated that its for a certain lancer, its just general information on brakes that can/have been used as upgrades.
but if you have any input on what would work with a ch, i dont see why that cant be added?

Sure. It is in the CE section but still had to ask. I'll see what I can get off Jeffaz, myself and others with the CH. I'm currently in the process of transcribing phpBB codec to what wiki likes :lol:
 
lilandonaki said:
NOTE: These upgrades are based on maintaining the stock stud pattern of 4x100, using other rotors with same physical dimension is possible to achieve different stud patterns
Notice this whilst editing... I feel this statement needs work, since you actually need the hubs as well to achieve this not just the rotors... so removed from wiki article till fixed.
 
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